Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Wednesday January 13, 2010



The following is really an addendum to yesterday's topic of surrogacy, but we've moved from rental property to ownership.

Please take the time to read the article.
The Meat Market
In a race to prevent thousands of needless deaths a year, countries from Singapore to Israel are launching innovative new programs to boost organ donation. Alex Tabarrok on paying donors for kidneys, favoritism on waiting lists and the shifting line between life and death.

Harvesting human organs for sale! The idea suggests the lurid world of horror movies and 19th-century graverobbers. Yet right now, Singapore is preparing to pay donors as much as 50,000 Singapore dollars (almost US$36,000) for their organs. Iran has eliminated waiting lists for kidneys entirely by paying its citizens to donate. Israel is implementing a "no give, no take" system that puts people who opt out of the donor system at the bottom of the transplant waiting list should they ever need an organ.

Millions of people suffer from kidney disease, but in 2007 there were just 64,606 kidney-transplant operations in the entire world. In the U.S. alone, 83,000 people wait on the official kidney-transplant list. But just 16,500 people received a kidney transplant in 2008, while almost 5,000 died waiting for one.


3,363
Americans who died waiting for a kidney transplant, January to October 2009
To combat yet another shortfall, some American doctors are routinely removing pieces of tissue from deceased patients for transplant without their, or their families', prior consent. And the practice is perfectly legal. In a number of U.S. states, medical examiners conducting autopsies may and do harvest corneas with little or no family notification. (By the time of autopsy, it is too late to harvest organs such as kidneys.) Few people know about routine removal statutes and perhaps because of this, these laws have effectively increased cornea transplants.

Routine removal is perhaps the most extreme response to the devastating shortage of organs world-wide. That shortage is leading some countries to try unusual new methods to increase donation. Innovation has occurred in the U.S. as well, but progress has been slow and not without cost or controversy.

Organs can be taken from deceased donors only after they have been declared dead, but where is the line between life and death? Philosophers have been debating the dividing line between baldness and nonbaldness for over 2,000 years, so there is little hope that the dividing line between life and death will ever be agreed upon. Indeed, the great paradox of deceased donation is that we must draw the line between life and death precisely where we cannot be sure of the answer, because the line must lie where the donor is dead but the donor's organs are not.

In 1968 the Journal of the American Medical Association published its criteria for brain death. But reduced crime and better automobile safety have led to fewer potential brain-dead donors than in the past. Now, greater attention is being given to donation after cardiac death: no heart beat for two to five minutes (protocols differ) after the heart stops beating spontaneously. Both standards are controversial—the surgeon who performed the first heart transplant from a brain-dead donor in 1968 was threatened with prosecution, as have been some surgeons using donation after cardiac death. Despite the controversy, donation after cardiac death more than tripled between 2002 and 2006, when it accounted for about 8% of all deceased donors nationwide. In some regions, that figure is up to 20%.

The shortage of organs has increased the use of so-called expanded-criteria organs, or organs that used to be considered unsuitable for transplant. Kidneys donated from people over the age of 60 or from people who had various medical problems are more likely to fail than organs from younger, healthier donors, but they are now being used under the pressure. At the University of Maryland's School of Medicine five patients recently received transplants of kidneys that had either cancerous or benign tumors removed from them. Why would anyone risk cancer? Head surgeon Dr. Michael Phelan explained, "the ongoing shortage of organs from deceased donors, and the high risk of dying while waiting for a transplant, prompted five donors and recipients to push ahead with surgery." Expanded-criteria organs are a useful response to the shortage, but their use also means that the shortage is even worse than it appears because as the waiting list lengthens, the quality of transplants is falling.


Surgeons at Georgetown University Hospital in Washington perform a kidney transplant.
1,154
Americans who died waiting for a liver transplant, January to October 2009
Routine removal has been used for corneas but is unlikely to ever become standard for kidneys, livers or lungs. Nevertheless more countries are moving toward presumed consent. Under that standard, everyone is considered to be a potential organ donor unless they have affirmatively opted out, say, by signing a non-organ-donor card. Presumed consent is common in Europe and appears to raise donation rates modestly, especially when combined, as it is in Spain, with readily available transplant coordinators, trained organ-procurement specialists, round-the-clock laboratory facilities and other investments in transplant infrastructure.

The British Medical Association has called for a presumed consent system in the U.K., and Wales plans to move to such a system this year. India is also beginning a presumed consent program that will start this year with corneas and later expand to other organs. Presumed consent has less support in the U.S. but experiments at the state level would make for a useful test.

Rabbis selling organs in New Jersey? Organ sales from poor Indian, Thai and Philippine donors? Transplant tourism? It's all part of the growing black market in transplants. Already, the black market may account for 5% to 10% of transplants world-wide. If organ sales are voluntary, it's hard to fault either the buyer or the seller. But as long as the market remains underground the donors may not receive adequate postoperative care, and that puts a black mark on all proposals to legalize financial compensation.

Only one country, Iran, has eliminated the shortage of transplant organs—and only Iran has a working and legal payment system for organ donation. In this system, organs are not bought and sold at the bazaar. Patients who cannot be assigned a kidney from a deceased donor and who cannot find a related living donor may apply to the nonprofit, volunteer-run Dialysis and Transplant Patients Association (Datpa). Datpa identifies potential donors from a pool of applicants. Those donors are medically evaluated by transplant physicians, who have no connection to Datpa, in just the same way as are uncompensated donors. The government pays donors $1,200 and provides one year of limited health-insurance coverage. In addition, working through Datpa, kidney recipients pay donors between $2,300 and $4,500. Charitable organizations provide remuneration to donors for recipients who cannot afford to pay, thus demonstrating that Iran has something to teach the world about charity as well as about markets.

The Iranian system and the black market demonstrate one important fact: The organ shortage can be solved by paying living donors. The Iranian system began in 1988 and eliminated the shortage of kidneys by 1999. Writing in the Journal of Economic Perspectives in 2007, Nobel Laureate economist Gary Becker and Julio Elias estimated that a payment of $15,000 for living donors would alleviate the shortage of kidneys in the U.S. Payment could be made by the federal government to avoid any hint of inequality in kidney allocation. Moreover, this proposal would save the government money since even with a significant payment, transplant is cheaper than the dialysis that is now paid for by Medicare's End Stage Renal Disease program.

In March 2009 Singapore legalized a government plan for paying organ donors. Although it's not clear yet when this will be implemented, the amounts being discussed for payment, around $50,000, suggest the possibility of a significant donor incentive. So far, the U.S. has lagged other countries in addressing the shortage, but last year, Sen. Arlen Specter circulated a draft bill that would allow U.S. government entities to test compensation programs for organ donation. These programs would only offer noncash compensation such as funeral expenses for deceased donors and health and life insurance or tax credits for living donors.




Source: Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network
World-wide we will soon harvest more kidneys from living donors than from deceased donors. In one sense, this is a great success—the body can function perfectly well with one kidney so with proper care, kidney donation is a low-risk procedure. In another sense, it's an ugly failure. Why must we harvest kidneys from the living, when kidneys that could save lives are routinely being buried and burned? A payment of funeral expenses for the gift of life or a discount on driver's license fees for those who sign their organ donor card could increase the supply of organs from deceased donors, saving lives and also alleviating some of the necessity for living donors.

Two countries, Singapore and Israel, have pioneered nonmonetary incentives systems for potential organ donors. In Singapore anyone may opt out of its presumed consent system. However, those who opt out are assigned a lower priority on the transplant waiting list should they one day need an organ, a system I have called "no give, no take."

Many people find the idea of paying for organs repugnant but they do accept the ethical foundation of no give, no take—that those who are willing to give should be the first to receive. In addition to satisfying ethical constraints, no give, no take increases the incentive to sign one's organ donor card thereby reducing the shortage. In the U.S., Lifesharers.org, a nonprofit network of potential organ donors (for which I am an adviser), is working to implement a similar system.

In Israel a more flexible version of no give, no take will be phased into place beginning this year. In the Israeli system, people who sign their organ donor cards are given points pushing them up the transplant list should they one day need a transplant. Points will also be given to transplant candidates whose first-degree relatives have signed their organ donor cards or whose first-degree relatives were organ donors. In the case of kidneys, for example, two points (on a 0- to 18-point scale) will be given if the candidate had three or more years previous to being listed signed their organ card. One point will be given if a first-degree relative has signed and 3.5 points if a first-degree relative has previously donated an organ.

The world-wide shortage of organs is going to get worse before it gets better, but we do have options. Presumed consent, financial compensation for living and deceased donors and point systems would all increase the supply of transplant organs. Too many people have died already but pressure is mounting for innovation that will save lives.

—Alex Tabarrok is a professor of economics at George Mason University and director of research for the Independent Institute.
Correction & Amplification

Surgeons from the University of Maryland's School of Medicine have performed five transplants using kidneys that had either cancerous or benign tumors removed from them. Also, Singapore is preparing to pay donors as much as 50,000 Singapore dollars (almost US$36,000) for their organs. A previous version of this article incorrectly said that five patients received transplants of kidneys that had cancerous masses, and failed to note that the 50,000 figure was in Singapore, not U.S., dollars.

80 comments:

  1. I think it's kind or wrong to kind of advertise to sell organs and especially use a dead person's body without the family's consent. However, it sated many people die from just waiting to get an organ they need. But this kind of action can be very heroic because it can help millions of people around the country or maybe world who has organ failures.

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  2. I think selling organs is wrong, especially when they say that those who don’t donate are put at the bottom of the list if they ever need an organ. However I do agree that more people should become organ donors, I just don’t agree with the way some countries are handling it.

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  3. i think that the shortage of kidney donors is going to continue to be a problem and a solution is necessary.It is going to be difficult to keep the black market from selling body parts so a good system needs to be made in order to prevent this.

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  4. So the first thing i have to say is that this article was very long and very repetitive, but it made many good points. The first thing i believe is that there should be more people willing to donate organs not only for the money but to help people who need them and that would mean that less deaths willl be caused when waiting for a transplsnt. I also think that if people startg to donate it will decrease the black market sales of organs and it will make more sterile and better procedures instead of the ones being done on the black market. Also what if the person who needs an organ does not have the money to pay for the donor and a transplant. There are many things that people and the government have to think about and i believe that it will get worse before it gets better but eventually pwople will come to their senses and stop beind inhumane and just wanting money insteacd of helping someone out.

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  5. I agree with amanda that selling organs are wrong adn people should be donating organs to those who need it. It's also very wrong what other countires do to get the organs.

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  6. johnathon is completley right someone needs to stop the black market or find a way to stop people from putting there organs on the black market

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  7. I also agree with amanda because people are being greety and other people are dying because of it so something should be done!

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  8. I realy dont agree with donating organs for money. If saomeone wants to donate it then they should do that without expecting any kind of money. I also dont agree that people have to go to the end of the list if they dont donate just for the simple fact everyone has there own feelings about things. I think the people that nee tit the most should always be at the top of the list no matter what. The idea of taking organs from a dead person i honestly dont know what to think abuot that. I guess if you can save another life it may be a good idea but a family of a deceased person is not going to probly agree with that

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  9. I believe in donating organs completely, and have told my parents numerous times that if anything were to happen to me, I want them to donate as much of me as possible. Sometimes when I think about paying someone for their organ I picture a dirty market, with organs in little coolers, their origination unknown. However after reading this article it sounds like there is a lot more research behind it and it is a very detailed system in many countries that seems to be working well. I like the idea of the presumed consent unless stated otherwise. I think giving people an incentive of not just cash, but health insurance and other benefits is a better idea. Afterall doctors and hospitals are not going to take just anyone off the street, they're going to take those are eligible and willing. I think that as long as it is your own decision in the end to donate, then it is fair, because after all its your body. When people lose a loved one they think that you are taking something away from them and they are no longer that same person. I believe that when someone's life is gone, why not save someone else's life and have a part of you keep living on in that person. Ultimately i think this decision is up to the donater themselves. However I think incentives to increase the donations are a very good idea and the U.S. should implement a new system, similiar to other countries.

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  10. I do not agree with the selling of organs. And do not think the way some countries are going about making the non-donors on the bottom of the list if they should ever required an organ; that to me does not sound like the best solution to the problem.

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  11. Ok first off I think the no give no take policy is a very smart system being implemented. But I do think it is wrong that we are relying on so many transplants from living patients. Really they should be taking from the dead because simply put their not going to use them. But for the future I feel the system now will half to stay in place but with increased donations from living and dead people if we want to help people live longer.

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  12. I agree with stephanie what they are doing is not going to solve the problem, noone who really needs an organ should be put on the bottom of a list

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  13. Emily says:
    i think that its good to donate organs because you can save somboys life. but taking organs such as corneas without the families consent is wrong. and paying people to donate their organs is both right and wrong. its right because there is always a shortage of organs and offering an incentive to get people to donate could elimate the shortage with some of the organs like kidneys. you can live with only one kidney. but its also wrong because your selling your organs for money. and putting organs in patients that have had cancer is just not right because then your increasing that persons chance of getting cancer.

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  14. I agree with Joey that the article was very repetitive that it keeps aying how people are selling organs and doctors are using dead people organs. the article at first was very interesting but as you go on it gets very boring. I also agree that its inhumane to donate organs for money rather ths just kindness. But I also think that thse countries are doing something good to advertise this action because some people in the countries maybe really need these organs.

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  15. In my opinion i believe that organ donation is definitely something that needs to be delt with. Many people are in need of an organ and honestly someone who is deceased and maintains healthy organs is a perfect candidate for organ transplant. People are too often holding onto a loved ones body as if that person is still there. As my dad always said, "when you're dead, you're dead." Burning or burying a person with perfectly good organs is a waste. Personally i believe that what better way to leave this life then by giving someone else a chance at a better their life. Therefore although a can see the moral complications of persumed donors i dont think it is an illegal action. Also when discussing programs such as that in Iran and Singapore which offer monetary compensation for organ donation i believe that is also just. This is your own body, and while you are alive you have the rights for your body so if you wish to donate an organ to recieve money that is your own decision. Plus actions like these would prevent transplant donors from being a part of the black market, providing a healthier and more fair way of dealing with organ donations for both donor and organ receiver.

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  16. In response to Joe, I agree that they should implement a new system to stop the sale of organs on the black market. And it says in the article if people can't pay for this donation, the government or one of these programs pays for it for them. People are giving a part of them away, and yes many people out there are very greedy, but I would hope they are ultimately doing it to save the person's life. All in all its each person's decision, as long as no one is hurt and everyone is content with the result, I think it is perfectly fair, after all its a good thing to save someone's life.

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  17. Alanna i agree with the you about the donating organs to save someone elses life but if you have to get paid to donate the organ it should not be called donating it should be called a TRADE

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  18. I agree with alanna,i think organs should be donated to people who need it. I would want my organs to be donated because so many people are eaiting for organ donors. People's organs will be taken out anyways so they should be donated insteadof thrown away. And if people are worried about that person not being the same , if they are barried they are going to have their organs taken out anyways.

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  19. In response to Tyler

    I disagree with the "no give no take policy". Some people may have certain circumstances that prevent them from donating organs. I don't think they should be punished for that, if they are sick and they need a transplant that should have equal chances of getting it.

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  20. I disagree with Emily in the fact that donating your organs for money is wrong. As long as you are not being forced to sell your organs, it is your own body and you can do what you want with it.

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  21. This article was kind of hard to read because it was so incredibly long and a bit repetitive. But it brings up an immense amount of discussions. I feel as though the black market NEEDS to be stopped someone. but in order to do that we need to find a better way the transplant/donor system. The fact that people are being paid to donate organs is kind of iffy in my mind. I feel like people should WANT to be helping the lives of others. I understand that you are still living and you need organs too but I don't see how it could hurt to give one organ that you don't need to someone else. I think this ONLY if you yourself is giving the organ away. Not if a parent or an elder is pressuring you or making you. It has to be your choice. I think that Iran has a really good system going on but I still don't like the fact that they are paying people up to 5000 or more dollars for this. I like the points system also. America should become more open to these suggestions because we have people dying everyday waiting for transplants. Its evident that people don't want to give their organs up but if there are benefits such as the health care coverage or the points system I think that would really work. The fact that some doctors are taking organs without people consenting (people meaning the parents or guardians of the deceased person) is not right. It should be their option. doctors should not take that liberty into their own hands.

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  22. I dont think organs should be sold either. Its not fair because the people who need organs did not always bring that upon themselves. They might not be able to afford the organ and its better to give away for free then to just throw them away.

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  23. i agree strongly with alanna on the fact that organ donation is a wonderful thing and that an incentive is a good idea although it shouldnt be money. i also agree with you on the presumed consent because after you die you dont need your organs.

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  24. The shortage of donated organs is not a new problem. It is hard to believe that the amount of ready-to-use organs will ever exceed the amount of patients needing the organs, but many factors can help. It seems hard to bring fault to those who are being paid for their organs because they are doing a good deed and saving a life. Although it seems like it should be voluntary, I believe that if it will save a life, a few thousand dollars are worth it. When some people become desperate for their lives and for transplants, they resort to the black market. Although this may answer their prayers and provide a needed organ, this process is not trustworthy. There is no way to know whether or not the organ is healthy or if the procedure is safe. Because of this, it seems almost safer to wait it out on the transplant list. Death is an inevitable part of life and many people have this fascination with preventing death and prolonging life for as long as possible. No one wants to die, but for some people it is their time, and if there is a way to save their life then it should be done, but if not they should try to accept it. the "no give, no take" policy seems fair. It is the persons choice whether to give up their organs for others, but it is hard to believe that someone who needs a donation so much would not want to give someone else a chance to live. I personally do not know any of the laws surrounding this topic, but I am sure they are controversial. It is hard to say that people are doing illegal things if they are saving a life by doing them. Although some of the solutions found are not ideal, changes must be made to help transplant victims.

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  25. I think that the program established in Israel has the best chance to work in the united states because it gives everyone a chance to an equal opportunity. With this system there really isn't a way someone can try to bribe their way on or up the list. But in regrads to donation whether dead or alive I feel that it should be voluntary. however i do agree with what tyler said about the dead not being able to use the organs so theirs should be given up.

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  26. Wow so Ive definatly got to say its rather sad and unfortunate the amount of people who died because they never recieved the kidney they need. In adittion the waiting list for a kidney transplant over each year is herendous!
    I dont want to sound like a bad person, but if for every person(who has never needed a kidney transplant) who is close to dying or has past away, if they signed a written form saying they would light their kidney to be removed and donated to science or someone living who needed a kidney, I feel that the waiting list will shorten and the percentage of people dying will reduce as well. But I do respect each person and untimatly they are the one who decides what they would like to happen to them if they die, as well as their family. At the same time, if I died or someone in my family died and the hospital was going to take my the cornea from the eyes or any of the organs or tissue, Id rather know the truth that they did that or were going to do that. I guess maybe my family or I would have a sense of appreciation then, that im going to become apart of science or medical means. Some people would become offended by the removal of their loved ones body parts and they are likely to cause an outbreak or file a complaint which leads to court. So It isnt necessarily ok for the hospital to just take what they want from a person living or dying to benefit another who is sufferent, without the consent of that person or their fasmily. That why I believe If people would make that decision to help contribute to the hospitals needs in advance before the hospital takes control, there wouldnt be to much of an issue. My thoughts on this is for each dying member of a family in the hospital is that while they remain in the hospital they should be given options. Either the person them self or their family member should be given a certain amount of choices. Step by Step Id say the doctor comes in the patients room and has a discussion with both the patient and their family all together. The discussion should include, "There are many things you can do to help the hospital with people in the hospital or to benefit future patients who are lacking what they need to keep surviving. Human organs, such as kidneys, liver, lungs, and the heart are needed everyday. Many people are waiting on a transplant list because their own organ can not support them well enough. Id like you to take the time to think about whether youd like to be the cause of another person surviving. You can easily contribute by donating the parts of your human body once and if you pass. All donations are more than appreciated by the person in need and their families. Think about it. You might be saving a teenage girl or a little boy who needs another organ to live." Then the doctor should hand the patient or their family a form which has check boxes next to options such as:
    You would like to donate
     Right Lung  Left Lung
     Right Kidney  Left Kidney
     Liver
     Heart
     Eyes
     Skin Tissue

    This way the patient and their family gets to have the option. I think this is a very conveniant way for the hospital to get what they need.
    Its possible for more patients to donate something. And not everyone is going to donate, but it could be better.

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  27. i agree with joe that the article is too long and repeated itself about at least three times. my case on this issue is that it is very important, but it is kind and wrong at the same time. i think that people shouldnt get paid to donate things it should come from their hearts to do great things like donating a kidney. america should do a better job on this issue because to many people are dying and the population will decrease very rapidly if they dont fix this.

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  28. I think this whole transplant business is icky. icky icky icky. i think its nice if, after a patient is dead, and that patient has specifically willed their organs for transplants as a donor, that they would be that generous with their body parts. It is a very considerate thing to do, but i strongly disagree with taking someone's organs without their consent. I also am intrigued and wonder what the repercussions of this would be in conflict driven, unstable, explotative areas of the world. at what point would this become cultivation, harvesting, and manipulation of other humans in order to get their organs? when will it be coercion, deception, trickery. War tactics, torture for enemies, etc... I'm sure it already has.

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  29. I agree with jonathan. The Black market needs to be stopped. My response to this article is an efficient way to find a solution to the selling of body parts. Id say the only apropriate way to sell body parts is in relation to my original response, is by giving that form to the patient and on the form have it be included:
    Any Comments or questions?
    And then for folks who would rather be paid money, they have that option. But it should only be an available option if a person on the transplant waiting line is willing to do whatever it takes to get the organ they need, meaning they will take a donated kidney or they will pay the cost of what the patient is willing to accept for their body part.

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  30. In response to felisa, organs shouldnt be sold, but if theres a person on the waiting list willing to pay whatever the cost and theres a patient that wont donate an organ for free...then it clicks! it just works out. I think by including on the form Any comments or Questions space, the patient can request a payment. And in this way without it being a written option on the form people waiting in line dont have to worry about having to pay for an organ. It wont be required. This comment section will be very helpful because for patients not willing to donate who want a payment to give up an organ, they can just be upfront about it and write that on the form. It may not work out if there isnt someone waiting in line who needs whatever it is that the patient is willing to give up for a payment.

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  31. i think this is a sad system all the way around... people not wanting to donate organs is pretty sad . also people thrown at the bottom of the list from not donating organs is worst in my mine. i dont understand how you can just let a human die just cause of a life choose they made.

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  32. i would agree with some of the things joe said. a lot of the stuff in the article is repeated and honestly is stupid. they need to come up with a way better system then the one they have right now

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  33. I think its nice that when a person is dead you can use their body parts to help othersbut i dont like that fact that they dont have the dead person consent or the family. I dont think you should sell them to others you should just give them away because they didnt buy them they just take them so they should give it to somebody who really need it

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  34. i agree with lyla 100% you should ask the person or their family for their consent to take the organs

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  35. My thing on this is that, countries should not pressure people to become organ donners. I feel that is wrong for a country to try and say that there will be some kind of negative action of people do not donate. My grandfather is currently on the waiting list for a kidney and he continues to wait. If doctors and the government show how much donating is needed right now, maybe the black market for organs would decrease because more people would donate. I also feel that if doctors are taking small parts of dead bodies, then they should be able to because the body is going to be buried or cremated. They should be able to take a small part of a dead body to save a live one. The whole thing with doctors willing to pay for organs is ok, as long as it doesn't back-fire. When i say back-fire i mean people still not willing to donate so the doctors result to the black market.

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  36. I think that the organs of the deceased should be taken and donated to people who really need it, even though it seams bad to take someones organs if they ask for them not to be taken but in the end you save lives and i perosnaly think that it is the right thing to do.I think that if you where in a sick persons shoes and you needed a kidney you would take it from almost any one dead or alive.

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  37. I personally dont agree with the selling of organs on the black market because most of the time those organs are stolen without any soncent from the persons whose body its coming from or the family. i believe in organ donation and i feel that everyone should donate if they can but if a person decides not to for whatever reason they might have then that's their choice/decision and they shouldn't have to be pressured to do so. I think that the idea to pay donors is a good one because it will give more incentive to people to donate. i really dont care what a persons reason to donate is, whether its for money or to really help save a life. if the life gets saved then who really cares what the intentions were? either way everyone benefits in my opinion.

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  38. I am 100% with John and everyone else on the black market topic. It needs to stop and it needs to stop now. Every year, many people are killed for body parts just to be sold. It is a terrible crime and it needs to end quickly. I also agree with Yusef. The fact that someone is thrown to the bottom of the transfer list if the ever needed on is wrong just because they don't want to donate. What if they can't? The transfer list should be based on how drastic it is needed.

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  39. I also agree on the Black Market thing killing for organs and other things NOT COOL.

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  40. I thinkt that people should have the right to sell their kidneys. Many people can live due to the donation of an organ. The people that are giving their organ should, however have a throrough medical exam previous to giving their organ.
    In the article it states that people would automatically be an organ donar unless they outwardly state otherwise. This concept is being utilized today with the military. If you don't want to get information on the military or be recruted you have to sign a paper saying so - otherwise you are fair game.
    I think that giving monetary incentives to people inorder for them to give a kidney is a good idea. I also think that the patent should utilize any other option before resorting to a donated organ.
    There is a long way that our country needs to come before agreeing to a organ transplant system. But compensation might be the best option.
    i do not think that there will ever be a concrete line inbetween being alive and dead, but if you are pronounced "dead" you no longer have a use for your organs so you might as well save a life.

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  41. This is a very interesting subject beause its underground. I remeber seeing something like this on TV about how in parts of the world people sell there kidney's in oder to feed their families. In this village selling your organs was the norm because everyone was poor.

    I wonder how it's a shortage of organs when people dead everyday. If doctors do use transplant I think the family should no. However I think its so sad that this shortage is making people get unhealthy organs.

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  42. I agree with Dennis that the organs of the dead should be used if there in good shape, but I think the family shoud be aware.

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  43. in response to asante24s:
    I think that people don't always like to donate their organs for whatever reasons. Some people believe that they deserve their organs and no one else. I personally don't think that's a good mentality to have but other people have different opinions.

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  44. in response to Yanni:
    I don't fully agree with your statement. I don't think that its right to pay someone to give away organs. You shouldn't be paid to save someone's life. but then again officers get paid as a job to save lives. I just think that donating organs and being trained and doing a job are completely different. I agree that we will never ever come to a contrete agreement to living vs. dead or the organ transplant system. However I think that we could make more strives than we have and become more open to what other countries have been doing. I know that we are supposed to be independent and free minded but sometimes we need a little help from other people. It wouldn't hurt.

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  45. I think that donating organs without someones permission is wrong and should be illegal. But paying for organs should be okay if the person has no problem with it. This issue is like an agreeable and a disagreeable issue at the same time

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  46. I agree with Lyla
    I think taking peoples' organs without their consent is wrong but I also think that everyone should donate their organs when they die if possible.

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  47. I agree with Felisa if someone needs an organ and no one is using it why throw it away give it to someone in need

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  48. i agree with lyla i dont think its right to pay some one for your organs but thats just how i think

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  49. I agree with johnathon.The black market is going to stay as long as theres a shortage og kidneys to go around. People are going to do whatever they want in order to get what they really need.

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  50. I agree organ donation is a good thing and I agree with it and all but I think it works best only after the person is brain dead, or if the person has so much brain damage because of whatever happened that they will never be like they were before. Think would that person really WANT to live like that? Would you want to live the rest of your life in a wheelchair and have no idea what’s going on around you ever for the rest of your life, and drooling non stop everyday. And think about the emotional rollercoaster you would be putting everyone who cares about you through. I know I wouldn’t want that but that’s me. And I have scene people who now have to live in those kinds of conditions and they really look happy. They look miserable like they would rather be any where but here as in alive.

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  51. i agree with lyla on that the familys should be aware when their love ones organs are donated.

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  52. Claire
    I disagree with Amanda in that the "no give, no take," policy is wrong. If you are not willing to donate your own organs after death they why should someone donate their organs for you. Its equal that way. And i am not saying that if you don't wish to donate organs then you cant recieve transplants, i am simply saying that if you are willing to after your death you should get priority no matter what.

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  53. In response to people who don't think you should get money for organs. Countries are simply using money and benefits as incentives for more people to become aware of the need for organs, and for some to donate themselves. Not everyone is willing to give away an organ, unless it is to someone they love, which they still might not be willing to do. However by using money as an incentive, more people would probably consider this, which is what I think countries are trying to establish, by boosting awareness.

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  54. I disagree with the selling of organs on the black-market because it is often with out the consent of the organ donor.

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  55. In response to Stephanie, although I agree with you that collecting organs when the patient is still alive (but not really) is best I have to disagree with the latter part of your comment. Comas are very intricate things. People die all the time and people wake up all the time. Sometimes the complications from a coma are not completely known. Because of this families tend to hold on to their loved ones, as they are not truly dead. I believe that if the person is a organ donor and has stated that they do not want to be on life support, then the organs should be taken from them, but not beforehand.

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  56. I completely agree with lyla because i too feel that if doctors can get away with taking someones organs without their consent (in the case of the dead) or prior knowlege, then who knows what else they can or will do.

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  57. Not having read anyone else's comments yet, this is my opinion after reading the article.

    I do not understand why anyone would not want to help save someone's life by donating their organs, especially if they are not in need of them anymore. When I die, I would like my organs to be donated, and I would donate a kidney or liver to someone in need while I'm alive if it would save their life. I do, however, respect people's rights to make their own decisions, and if they don't want to donate their organs, it's their right not to. I think that the "no give, no take" policy is a fair one, but I think that the opt-out policy of donating organs should only apply for donating after death - donating organs shouldn't be forced on people while their still alive, at that point they should have the right to say no without consequesnce. After death, however, they are no longer in need of thier organs, so why shouldn't their healthy ones go to others in need? I think that paying people for their organs is a fair process, though - it gives incentive to do so and benifits both parties (the donator and the person recieving the organ.)

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  58. I also agree with alanna because more than likely i myself wouldn't donate one of my organs to a complete stranger without getting paid for it.

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  59. I agree with many of the people above me who said that they believe recieving monetary rewards for kidneys is okay. I believe that it simply creates a positive incentive to donate a kidney. Many people do not go around donating organs, unless they know someone in need, but if they need money they may be more inclined to donate. Most people can live on one kidney, and could save a life by donating it.

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  60. I agree with Alanna entirely.
    Also, I think that many of the processes other contries are implementing will help the problem, especially in lessening the amount of organs on the black market - it wouild be better to have a safe and legal process, as it would lead to more healthy and effective surgeries.

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  61. Yanni did make a good point in comparing the opt-out transplant policy to the opt-out militaty policy currently in action in Rochester. The difference to me between the two of these is that when one goes to the military, there is a chance that they may die or be seriously injured, in addition to eing forced to hurt others, and since this is their life they should have the option not to take that risk. Organ donation, however, will save a life, and there is a very limited amount of risk in the process (plus, if you're already dead you don't need your organs anyway). This is why, although I disagree with the military policy, I agree with the donation policy.

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  62. As for paying people for their organs, if this will increase the amount of organs donated, I don't see how it can be a bad thing. Whether or not the person was doing it for the money or to save the life, it still has the same positive effect.

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  63. In response to lvs,
    I also agree that we should be open minded to other countires solutions to the organ shortage. We cannot solve this problem effectivly unless we take in account what other countries have done.

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  64. In response to Dennis,
    I agree that donating your organs when your dead is a good thing to do, but I do not think that a person's organs should be taken with out their consent previous to their death.

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  65. I think this article is very repetitive but it's a cool one though. I think people should do whatever they can to contribute to the health living of someone's life. If you were on your death bed you would want someone to be willing to donate an organ to you if you really needed one.

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  66. Donating organs is a cool thing to do. Donating them to those in need as opposed just selling them to get cash is better. But whether or not the organs are being sold, or donated, its still for a good cause in the long run.!

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  67. o.k. felisa.! i agree i agree.! if someone isnt using there organs anymore, (a.k.a they're dead) why be wasteful about it.? Give it to someone who really needs it.!

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  68. I AGREE WITH YANNI TOO.! JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS DEAD OR WHATEVER, AND NOT USING THEIR ORGANS, DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN TAKE THEM WITHOUT CONSENT.

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  69. i agree with Asante24 because this current situation and high demand for organs will certainly lead to exploitation and a sick, twisted type of harvesting organs for the black market. To me it is even worse to exploit and literally "buy" off the organs of people in desperate poverty, than it is to take organs w/o permission from corpses. Either way this is morally unjust, but the first circumstance also brings into light huge societal concerns as well.

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  70. I agree that we as a society as a whole should look into donating your organs to be reused without being "bought" so that organs can be more obtainable to ppl for whom the monetary concerns prevent them from getting the health care they need. It is my FIRM belief however, that organs should only be transferred in express cases of consent by the donnor, and not in an exploitative manner from the black market.

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  71. I think that donating organs is good because when we die we no longer are able to use them but the part that sickens me is when some doctors take the organs without the concent of the person or the family because that can be real painful for the love ones and in a real big way direspectful to the body,or imagine the doctors just told you that your son just died and befor you can even began to grieve the doctor is shoving papers in your face for you to sign saying that they can take any organ theyed like, or better yet if the person isn't even dead yet. i just think that the world has become donor crazed, were so obsessed with body parts and every thing, i think if we take care of the body that god gave us we wouldn't need as many donors and we wouldn,t have to stress about this issue because it cost a lot of money to undergo the process and even if you get lucky to find a donor in time there still the chance of you dying on the table.

    in response to michell comment i totally agree, just think what that does to the families.

    i also agree with chandel it is not cool to steal body parts , but if you think about it they are making thousands of dollors even millios for just one organ now thats crazy.

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  72. I agree with yanni that we should take into consideration what measures other countries have gone to to solve the same issues that we face. Looking to other sources can help bring in new ideas that just might solve the problem at hand and help save a lot of people time they might have wasted trying to come up with a solution.

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  73. I agree with yanni and brittany that just because a person is dead and happens to not be using their organs doesn't mean that you can have the go ahead to go and take them. its not like an abandoned shopping cart at walmart where because your too lazy to go to the front and get one you take that one.

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  74. It is definitely wrong to give away people's body parts without consent from their family. Although there is a crisis with lack of supplies needed for crucial transplants, there is a level of respect that does need to be maintained. I think that rather than "stealing" parts off of dead people, there should be an initiative created to increase the amount of donors.

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  75. in response to katykards7:

    people do not donate because i think they feel that whats theirs is theirs. If you think about it, it is great to help someone else out, but also people are tearing apart what is left of their body. I can see why people would be hesitant to donate.

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  76. i think that thats its wrong to give away people's body parts without permission but i think that the governments that do it automatically unless you opt out is a great idea. My personally option is that you have no use for you body parts if your dead so if you can save someone elses life (like im sure you would like someone else to in order to save your life) you should

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  77. i agree with lyla

    I feel if body parts are going to be able to be sold it may cause some unheard of despicable crimes

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  78. It's no secret that the transplant list for any organ is ridiculously long and it is crucial for those people waiting in line to get the organs they need, but no matter what a person's body is a person's body that they can treat however they want, dead or alive. I think this argument is related to assisted suicide, it's morally incorrect to just pull the plug if you just want to, it's a decision for the family to make if the patient is unable.

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  79. i agree with sotastudent

    this is my feelings exactly. im sure if someone you loved were on their deathbed would you want someone to donate to them.

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  80. I agree with peter in response to katykards and I think I mentioned it in my original post. A person is free to do with their body whatever they please and if that means they want to keep their organs in tact when they're dead, so be it. What people thinks happen to them after they die differs in every person's mind and they might want all their body parts for whatever after death experience they encounter.

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