
The following is from the City newspaper. This impacts the community greatly. Please take the time to read the whole commentary and respond by Wednesday. This is the last class grade for this term.
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COMMENTARY: Mayoral control doesn't work and is wrong
on January 14, 2010
Bill Cala, former interim superintendent of city schools. FILE PHOTO
by William C. Cala, Ed.D
(William Cala is the former interim superintendent of the Rochester City School District and former superintendent of Fairport schools.)
Looking at the statistics of urban schools across the country is enough to make anyone consider radical tactics. In nearly all of these schools graduation rates hover around 50 percent and rates for African-Americans and Latinos are as low as 30 percent. New York State is no different and Rochester has the dubious honor of leading the pack in negative statistics for children. The Children's Agenda's annual report is a must read for anyone who cares about Rochester's kids. And it's not all about graduation rates; it's about health and living conditions that are causative factors of poor school performance. One statistic alone, the teenage pregnancy rate, should make us think twice about where we are putting our reform efforts. Rochester has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world, putting it in the same statistical arena as a third-world country. That has produced kindergarten classes that are made up of nearly 25 percent of the children coming from teenage mothers.
In "Class and Schools" by Richard Rothstein, a clear case is made demonstrating the catastrophic effects of poverty on urban school performance. From community safety to poor health due to living conditions and lack of access to adequate health care to joblessness to a lack of a family structure, children across the country are ill-equipped physically, emotionally and socially to succeed in school. Rochester is the 11th poorest city for children in the country. I have had numerous conversations with pediatricians over the past 20 years, and they have relayed horror stories about the damage that poverty has done to children before they enter the school-yard gate (i.e. the average urban kindergartener has 1/3 of the vocabulary of a suburban counterpart).
Given this scenario, a logical question to ask is, "How will mayoral control of the schools help urban children and the factors leading to the lack of success of children in urban schools?
Is it about academics?
We have heard about the "success" of mayoral control in cities such as New York, Chicago, Washington, DC, and Cleveland. Since New York has been used as an exemplar for mayoral control here in Rochester, it seems only fitting to look at what Mayor Bloomberg has done since taking over the New York City schools. Historian Diane Ravitch recently provided some eye-opening statistics about this ersatz "success."
The National Assessment of Educational Progress� is a federally funded and administered test that is considered by scholars to be the best and only valid measure of student performance in the nation having a 40-year track record of solid performance.
Ravitch points out that of the urban districts that have been tested since 2002, the highest performing districts were Charlotte, North Carolina, and Austin, Texas. The lowest performing districts were Washington, DC, Chicago, and Cleveland. Charlotte and Austin are not controlled by mayors and the lowest performing districts are all controlled by mayors (Cleveland and Chicago have been controlled by the mayor for over a decade).
The city with the most sustained gains is Atlanta, Georgia (not controlled by a mayor).
New York City has been controlled by the mayor since 2002. To date there have been no gains on NAEP in fourth-grade reading, eighth-grade reading, or eighth-grade mathematics. Additionally, there have been no gains for African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, whites or lower-income students. Is this closing the achievement gap? Is this progress? Hardly.
Let's talk about those pesky graduation rates. One of the keystones of Mayor Bloomberg's campaign this past fall was the improvement of the graduation rates in New York City. He has claimed a rate as high as 70 percent. Here are the facts: New York State Education Department statistics clearly determine that the graduation rate in New York City is 52 percent. Mayor Bloomberg has conveniently invented his own mathematical formula to determine the NYC graduation rate. What he and his chancellor of education, Joel Klein have done is create "Discharge Codes." Discharge Codes are ways of designating students who have disappeared from the city schools as "other than dropouts." In fact, they have invented so many Discharge Codes that they are unable to determine what actually happened to the student. This is a convenient manipulation to obfuscate the graduation rate. So egregious is this activity that Advocates for Children did a study this past year citing tens of thousands of children being listed as "discharged" (not dropped out) yet the New York City administration was unable to demonstrate where these children went. Over the past six years, most of the discharges are students of color. The graduation rate for African-American males is 29 percent.
The New York City Department of Education is currently under investigation for this practice. (By the way, the Houston Independent School District has its brand of Discharge Codes called "Leaver Codes." They have over 20 Leaver Codes. They too were called out for seriously manipulating the graduation rate. The "Houston Miracle" turned out to be The Houston Mirage. Unfortunately, the No Child Left Behind Act that governs education nationally was built on the Houston system, which has since been thoroughly discredited).
Is it about money?
If controlling the Rochester school district is about saving money (The City of Rochester is required by law to contribute no less than $119 million to the RCSD coffers), then perhaps we should again look to the beacon that has often been mentioned as Rochester's model, New York City. In 2002 Mayor Bloomberg took over the schools. The budget at that time was $12.5 billion. In 2009 the budget is $21 billion. Given the lack of student performance in NYC, how does Bloomberg justify a 68 percent increase? If we look to other cities controlled by mayors and were to evaluate those mayors based on student performance and cost savings, the public debate could logically center around a voter recall of those mayors.
In 2005 Wong and Shen, in a study called "When Mayors Lead Urban Schools: Assessing the Effects of Mayoral Takeover," examined finances and staffing in the nation's 100 largest urban school districts. They reported that mayoral takeovers did not produce the promised improvement in financial stability and concluded that "no general consensus is emerging about the overall effectiveness of mayoral takeover."
One has to minimally ask the question whether mayoral control is about breaking unions and creating a lower paid workforce with fewer benefits. Author Danny Weil's December 2009 post should cause serious reflection:
"This is the point, and why mayoral control and Eli Broad, Gates, The Fisher family and the Walton family (and a host of other such charitable capitalists) along with Green Dot schools and other EMO's who seek to privatize all of education are so giddy. Creating a sub-prime school system that breaks the backs of the teacher's union is the goal of the new managerial elite who seek only to turn over public schools to private operators and entrepreneurs. This way they can reduce teachers to at-will employees, de-skill them with the "best practices," force them to work longer hours for less pay and less benefits and of course eliminate collective bargaining; that will then give the new managerial elite and their corporate masters, control over the entire educational enterprise - from curriculum development to the hiring and firing of teachers."
If Rochester's City Hall is unhappy with the mandated $119 million it must contribute to Rochester school district, the mayor and council members should look at the track record for mayoral control across the country. If they were to reduce costs under a system controlled by the mayor, they would be the first to do so. While the disdain for the $119 mandate is understandable, how does the city's contribution compare to the share that Monroe County suburban taxpayers contribute to their schools? $119 million is less than 18 percent of the total Rochester school district budget. By comparison, suburban communities contribute well over 50 percent of their total budgets. The local argument is that Rochester's share to RCSD is higher than that of Syracuse and Buffalo. True enough, but it's high time to start looking to models of success rather than using other urban failures as a benchmark.
Is it about crime?
Do dropouts cause crimes or do crimes cause dropouts?
Would there be less crime if the graduation rate were higher or would the graduation rate be higher if there were intact families, less crime, safer neighborhoods, better health care, and most importantly, jobs? While it is easy and convenient to narrow the focus to one culprit (education), the answers are much more complex and require the political will to tackle all of the above issues including educational reform. (See "Class and Schools" by Richard Rothstein for additional information on this topic.)
It is a great sound bite to look at crime statistics and announce that the perpetrators are dropouts. This statistic is a "no-brainer." Of course the vast majority of crimes are committed by dropouts, but in fact in most cases, that which led up to dropping out is the initial crime. Unless we search for the root causes of problems, our efforts are misplaced, ineffective and wasteful. While in the City of Rochester, I made it my business to do a forensic study when children committed serious crimes. Without exception, the home lives of child criminals were stunning.
For example, one adolescent drop-out shot and killed another boy. His life looked like this: His father sold cocaine out of the home. He was arrested and imprisoned twice while in elementary school. His mother was repeatedly beaten by the father. The Department of Social Services was often involved in attempts to resolve domestic abuse. The boy in question was sexually abused by the father and ran away twice. All of this occurring in early elementary school! The boy eventually dropped out. Living off of the streets was less painful.
I wish this were the exception to the rule. In varying degrees, this scenario repeats itself on a daily basis. Surely we should do everything within our means to adequately educate our children and keep them in school rather than having them drop out. However, the elephant in the room cannot be ignored or denied. Our efforts must address the external forces that lead to near certain school failure. At the national, state, and local level, I am afraid that resources are not addressing the root causes. We do not need more money going to urban school districts for programs that do not address root causes.
Mayoral control will not fix this.
In addition to being ineffective, mayoral control is wrong
Clearly, mayoral control doesn't work, but beyond its failure to produce, it is quite simply, wrong.
City residents are already disenfranchised by laws governing big cities in New York State. While suburban citizens are empowered with the right to vote on their district budgets, city residents are not entitled to do so. Mayoral control effectively removes Rochesterians from any meaningful input into the education of its children. I believe that this particular issue outweighs any consideration relative to academic outcomes and political perceptions of economic feasibility. Eliminating yet one more avenue to parent and citizen participation in government is an outright assault on democracy.
I am not alone in this belief. A 1997 case study of mayoral control in Chicago found some evidence that appointed officials were "less accountable to particular constituencies and... therefore, better able to put system-wide concerns above constituency demands."
Mayoral control involves establishing boards appointed by the mayor. Frederick M. Hess has conducted the largest study of mayoral control in the nation. He states that:
"Scholars raise several important concerns about appointed boards. Appointed boards tend to be less transparent than elected boards, and minority voices are more likely to be silenced or marginalized. There is also a risk that politically savvy mayors and their appointed boards may eventually settle into comfortable accommodations with special interest groups. Mayors themselves can also be a problem if they politicize school boards in self-serving ways or neglect education in favor of other issues."
I recall one particular action by Bloomberg and his appointed board early on in the mayoral takeover of the New York City schools. The mayor's appointed board was presented with a plan to retain any third grader who did not pass a standardized test. Up until that point, the mayor empowered the board to make educational decisions. Two of the mayor's appointees could not in conscience vote for a plan that defied all research on child development. The mayor fired them and replaced them with nominees who would support the plan.
A comprehensive national study of mayoral control was presented to the general assembly of Johnson City, Missouri, in October of 2009. Citing numerous research studies on the topic across the nation they concluded that:
1) There is a lack of democracy with appointed mayoral school boards and a concern about education becoming too involved in politics.
2) The larger role mayors play, the more costly their elections become, opening the door for big business involvement in elections (Meier 2005).
3) There is a greater risk of limiting minority participation through mayoral control (Wong 2006).
4) There is debate over whether mayors or other non-educator administrators can offer the expertise necessary to transform a school (Wong & Shen 2003).
5) Mayoral control does not address root problems such as reducing top-heavy administration or the multiple layers of bureaucracy overseeing the school system (Council of Great City Schools 2007).
6) There is no evidence that there have been improvements to the budget process.
7) Financial stability remains unresolved with mayoral control (Henig & Rich, 2005: Wong & Shen, 2005).
8) Minority students are disproportionately underrepresented (educational opportunities) with appointed school boards. Elected school board members are more likely to represent the makeup of the community, and these elected officials make it their business to advocate for them (Leal et al.,2004). (N.B. the formation of the department of African-American Studies in 2007 in Rochester. This department became a reality due to the advocacy of elected minority School Board members.)
Imagine for a moment the following scenario: The New York State Legislature by 2003 had not passed an "on-time" budget in 20 years. Since 2003 it has been named as the most dysfunctional legislature in the country. And recently, a coup was attempted by the Senate to reverse the majority party by winning over two indicted members of its body. That should be sufficient background to justify the statement: The New York State Legislature doesn't work.
Using the logic of advocates of mayoral control, what should happen is that the governor should seek a change in the New York State constitution to eliminate election of legislators. Subsequently, the governor would take complete control, and citizens of New York would no longer be able to vote for their local representatives to state government. From a very cynical point of view, the thought of removing scores of down-state legislators is quite appealing, yet our democracy is much too sacred to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Does a smaller-scale assault on democracy (mayoral control of schools) make the rationale any more valid?
Would a parallel scenario ever be conceived in the suburbs? Imagine the outrage if an equal coup were attempted by a town supervisor to take over a school district or eliminate elections of town board members. Not only would it never happen, such thoughts would never see the light of day. I cannot help but believe that democracy is threatened more readily in urban centers where the vast majority of its citizens are entrenched in poverty and do not have the capacity to have their voices heard. Is it any wonder why voting among the poor is so low? Losing one more opportunity to have a voice (voting in School Board elections) will bring about a deeper cascade into hopelessness and a lack of faith in our democracy.
If not mayoral control, what?
I have no doubt that Bob Duffy truly cares about education in the City of Rochester. I am convinced that he is willing to expend political capital to accomplish the goal of educating all of the city's kids. If not mayoral control, what path should he and local legislators seek instead of greasing the chute for a mayoral takeover?
1) Start a campaign to seek better School Board candidates. After the state elections this past November, editorials sprung up supporting efforts to seek out better candidates to run for the Senate and Assembly. No less of an effort should take place for the RCSD. No one called for a gubernatorial takeover of the legislature!
2) Eliminate salaries for School Board members. This has a lot to do with getting better candidates. School Board members do not get paid in the suburbs and shouldn't be paid in the city, either. Perhaps we will see candidates whose only agenda is children.
3) Eliminate party affiliation in order to be placed on the ballot. Let's face it: if you are not an endorsed Democrat, you are highly unlikely to become a RCSD school board member.
4) Institute term limits. Given the nature of the political machine and the low voter turnout due to a sense of hopelessness by the citizenry, ineffective School Board members are difficult to vote out of office. Perhaps term limits will renew a sense of promise and encouragement.
5) While huge urban districts are notoriously clumsy and overly bureaucratic, the fact of the matter is that poverty is the real issue, an issue that often seems beyond solution, leading to the endless (and fruitless) attacks on urban schools.
The real solutions that will solve the graduation puzzle have very little to do with what is being proposed by the mayor, the governor, or the national secretary of education. The real solutions are with children ages 0 to 5 and their families. There is absolutely no debate about the importance of quality pre-school education, child care, and after-school programs. There is overwhelming evidence that addressing the social, emotional, physical, and financial ailments in homes with young children produces significant increases in graduation rates (more than any power reorganization, school-only program, testing regime, or pay-for-performance scheme).
Three of the four most effective programs in the country that produce the greatest increase in graduation rates are programs involving children younger than age 5. And right here in Rochester we have the Nurse Family Partnership, which is a highly researched and greatly effective program that receives inadequate financial support.
6) And speaking of the Nurse Family Partnership, community leaders should be looking at all of the recommendations of the Children's Agenda. They are researched based and proven to work.
7) Now to go into really dangerous waters: as stated previously, poverty is the real issue as it relates to performance in poor urban settings - poverty and the concentration of poverty in cities. Our cities (specifically Rochester) are exemplars of economic apartheid (Rochester is poorer and more segregated than it was in 1954 when Brown vs. Board of Education outlawed segregated schools).
All of the recommendations above assume the maintenance of RCSD as one urban district under someone's control, be it the mayor or an elected school board. A better solution, however, eliminates the Rochester City School District and sectors off Monroe County into slices of a pie. Each slice or sector would incorporate suburban districts and a small portion of RCSD students. Each educational sector would be managed by the current suburban board with additional board representation from the ranks of the city.
Research tells us that if schools consist of more than 40 percent children and families of poverty (high concentration of poverty), they will not succeed. This recommendation pays attention to the research on what works by providing a middle-class education for the urban poor. Other significant advantages include a massive savings by eliminating one of the most costly bureaucracies in the state, maintenance of local control, and supporting democracy by not eliminating the voice of the voter.
Conclusion
Mayoral control has been a hands-down failure in this country. The mayor has stated, "Documented improvements... are a proven fact in such cities as New York City, Boston, and Washington, DC." The only improvements documented are created by the spin machines of each of the mayors of these cities and the others that I have previously mentioned. Parents and citizens in cities controlled by mayors are up in arms because they have lost their voices and lost their schools, and there is no better performance in schools created by mayors as measured by any valid scrutiny (see http://www.pureparents.org/ and http://www.timeoutfromtesting.org/ , two of scores of parent groups in Chicago and New York).
Citizens of mayoral controlled communities have experienced massive school closings and reopening with private charters that have done no better, and in most cases, worse than their public predecessors. As Danny Weil stated, this is more about breaking the backs of teachers and their unions and putting schools in the hands of investors who don't care about kids, but whose only concern is making money. Perhaps that is why hedge-fund investors are wild about taking over New York State realty (http://www.examiner.com/x-28545-NY-High-Schools-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Hedge-Funds-invest-in-Charter-Schools). Teachers are not the enemy. Poverty is the enemy.
But much more important than whether or not mayoral control is measured as an academic or financial success is the disenfranchisement of the urban poor. Taking away the right to vote is not an option in a democracy. Taking away the minority voices of the urban poor is an egregious assault on civil rights. The mayor, the governor, and the legislators who are lining up behind this ill-thought-out plan should re-think their positions and seek to tackle the root causes of poor performance in the city. If they expect city kids to graduate, it is imperative that poverty and its trappings are vigorously addressed. Paving the way legislatively for mayoral control of the Rochester City Schools would be one more flagrant act of hubris by the New York State legislature.
There are more viable paths available to achieve better results for urban kids than mayoral control. All take commitment and substantial political will and capital. And yes, they all will bring substantial and necessary "incremental" improvement. Remember that the only truly successful paths to graduation are built in pre-school programs that incrementally build to the pride and joy of graduation. The mayor and the superintendent have stated that we do not have time for incremental improvement. I would argue that we do not have time "not" to improve incrementally. We cannot afford the failed policies that emulate Chicago, New York, and Washington, DC. The public debate of this issue must take place immediately. Before any bill is drafted, all sectors of the public should weigh in.
It is not just our city's future that is at stake. Democracy is at stake.
i do not happen to agree with this writer. i believe that there is a very strong arguement for trying out mayoral control in the RCSD. clearly, what control we do have over the district is not working, and a change would at least be a chance to see if something new could work. Obviously neither system is perfect, but as someone who has been very involved in central office downtown and has witnessed many of the hierarchal and bogus workings that go on down there, it is clear to me that the current system very much needs a change. Many aspects of the situation downtown are not working, and the structure there is more often than not against the students best interest. The board of education is brimming with petty rivalries and caught up in internal squabbles which prevents many pro-active measures for students from being realized. The coniving tactics and alliances, completely eradicate many efforts to make things work for students.
ReplyDeleteSo, although mayoral control may be less than ideal in other ciry school districts, i believe that rochester should give it a try, given the at times convoluted and corrupted system that is currently in place.
I personaly like having the superintendent because there is a school board and not just one person making all of the decisions for the schools. I honestly do not like our superintendent because of some of the stuff that he is trying to do but he is not making all thesze up by himself he has the school board passing it. If there was the mayor thing it would only be the mayor making the decisions and thats one person. People on the school board want to be there and make decisions for their children and the rest of the communities children. Poverty is the root of the problem and that it is facing ther community everyday and this guy is not saying how either side will get to the root of the problem. he is basically beating arouynd the bush if u will and not getting straight to the center, he also does not make a very well argument on either side either. he basically just said dont do mayoral and said a couple thoughts he didnt say why to keep the superintendent way that we have now. overall i want to stay with the superentendent tho.
ReplyDeletei agree with the author that initiatives need to be taken to address the roots of crime and poverty issues, but this is no arguement against mayoral control. because if the problems are large enough to be making such a big deal out of them, then clearly the city school district (and board of education) is not doing a good enough job of handling the predicament anyways.
ReplyDeleteWell lyla i like what you are trying to say but even if they try out mayoral they wont get to the center of the problem they will still be beating around the bush like i said but i dont know mayb it could work but i think that it shouldnt just be the mayor making decisions he should have a comitee of his own also.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I do agree that we should be facing the root of the problem, which is the poverty faced by many city kids, I think that this writer makes a very poor arguement on why exactly mayoral conrol will not work here - all he does is pull up failed examples, which don't necessarily prove anything as whether or not mayoral control works depends on the mayor in charge. That being said, I do not think that the mayor should take over the city school district. Although I don't always agree with the school board's decisioins, I think that our ability to vote for school board members to represent us is a good one, as it gives us a little bit of say in what happens with our schools. I think it is better for there to be more than one person in charge, which the school board gives us. However, I thinkg that if the mayor was to work with and assist the school board, that might help, as he would be able to include his ideas as well.
ReplyDeleteThe best point that the author of this article made was on facing the root of the problem - we can't blame all the bad things that happen in the city on poor education - more we can blame the poor results of education on the bad things happening in the city. However, he makes no arguement on ways to begin addressing this problem, and in no way does this assist his arguement against mayoral control.
Also, I was insulted that he would compare our school district with that of the suburbs - because of the many problems in the city, things that work in the suburbs may not work here. We should be taking our own steps and finding our own way, rather than basing what we do off of the ways of people who are more priviledged than many living here.
I know people who work in the city school district and there are many arguments, enemies, and competiotions. There always seems to be two sides to a subject and many disagreements. I don't know what it would be like if the mayor controlled the city school but there needs ot be major improvments to help the education of city school kids. "Taking away the minority voices of the urban poor is an egregious assault on civil rights." I deffinetly agree with this line. I feel that minority needs to be encouraged and not swamped with satistics and low expectations. There are some attempts to make minority work harder and be acknowledged like " hispanic Achievment Award, and Black Scholar", I was given the hispanic achievment award for my junior year. At the ceramony they stated how low the graduation rate are and grade point averages. I think there are some attmpts but the expectations shouldnt be as low and there should be more encouragment for minorities
ReplyDeletehaha and mayyybbeee, if we turn control over to the mayor we could eliminate some of these bogus higher level district positions that are sucking up copious amounts of district money (im talking three figure jobs $$) and use that money for some of these initiatives that the author is talking about. i mean that really shouldn't be a problem considering when brizzard (<--sp?) first took over, no one could even figure out what duties individuals were responsible for and organize what specifically they were doing to warrant such large pacychecks...
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I will agree at the fact especially for hispanics, graduation rate is low for sure. I am hispanic myself and I engaged in an academic experience for hispanics only one summer. The program was called MESH (Math, Engineering, and Science for Hispanic Students) and I learned alot about my culture academically. Anyways I think it would be nice if some of the wealthiest states donated a good sum of money to poor cities such as rochester. Honestly Im tired of hearing so much crap about Rochester, like why does rochester have to have it real bad. It is never fair. I feel that too mny people who have been selected for a certain position havent made much of a difference, their actions havent helped this city improve much at all. Nothing is really changing. Poverty has taken control. And just like obama being independant from all the other presidents because hes the first black president.........what about a female. I mean im not saying a female should be the president but how about other positions in the U.S. or NY State. Theres only really been men who take control and have power.For centuries all the way back in the past, theres always been this stereotype almost. Basically that men do the job. Just like back then the men when to war while the women stayen home and took care of the children. How about Men doing the dirty work like working in the fields and hunting while women cook and clean. Also whats with the men having higher levels of employment over women. Even today men hve this overall standing where they are apparently the powerful ones. It isnt necessarily meant to be that way. Women are just as equal as men and they can be very powerful. It is the truth. Females perspective on life in the worls is similar but it is different from a mans perspective. It is posible that a woman can point out the real issue and really dig deep in the world for the answer to solving it. I say this because so far since this economic depression america is having, men have not stopped the chaos, they have not fixed it completly under obamas presidency. Obama is very powerful and he can make changes so I will not judge him but some of the people he appoints who appoints other people they are not fulfilling what we need in the world. Its a chain link and it consists of mankind. There is also a problem because not everyone is having the ability to do what a majoity of the country can do. This applies in many different categories of topics. In my eyes I see the world like any other. When I focus on life and the people that surround me, I see challenges, struggles, suffering, and error. In my 17 years this world is dying out. I become strong and careless from time to time, especially when I think that we have a chance to fix everything. That is almost the blur that cross my eyes. But then in every other time I worry and become afraid because I know what is actually going on. Reality then flashes my eyes brings me back to the reality I know, see, and live in.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that the author of this makes very poor attempt on trying to show why it would be a bad idea if the mayor controlled the school. From other articles I have read, show more points to support that. I myself am against the thing were the Mayor is in charge because he has not given a plan that will help. He has not given any points on how he can help. Many people have asked what he will do and he has not answered any of them. There have been attempts to mtake away the voices of minorities and that is wrong. There are groups that try and support minorities like Blck scholar and things like that, which Felisa pointed out." There should be more attempt on ending the proverty thst is here. Yes the graduation rate for minorites is low but it is low overall in my opinion. Taking the voices of minorites away is wrong and cruel. There are other things that could be done to help raise the graduation rate, which could help with the teenage pregnancy rate.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really sure if allowing the mayor to take over the city school district is a good idea but I don't think it's a bad one either. I honestly think the graduation rates and things of that nature are a reflection of a student's home life and his/her own decisions. So many parents blame the teachers when their children drop out of school or get F's but it's not always the b!#%$^y teachers fault that the student got a bad grade. Most kids live in poor neighborhoods. Even if they are financially stable they're probably lacking a source of encouragement and discipline at home. Believe it or not, some kids decide in seventh and eighth grade that they're going to drop out of high school in tenth grade and resort to something that they think is going to put more $ in their pockets. I don't know the exact resolution that needs to be used in order to bring graduation rates up as far as allowing the mayor to take over or not. But I do think city school districts need to hire teachers who are dedicated and actually care about the academic career of their students. Their also needs to be some kind of message sent out to parents to get them more evolved in their child's education. The learning process starts at home. And there also needs to be some source of mental health care incorporated in schools. I'm not suggesting that so that some men in black suits can walk around schools with a clip board and evaluate all the students' behaviors, however I'm suggesting that their be a source in all schools to help students get emotionally in tuned with themselves. Some kids don't have a positive outlet for their emotions so they resort to violence because one of their class mates triggered something in them that reminded them of a bad situation at home. We also need to take into consideration the child's personality, not to create statics but to understand them as individuals. A household can have six kids and that house hold may go through rough times but each child is going to cope with it differently. One mite excel in academic work and one mite start slacking off it's all dependent on the personality. But the kids also need to learn how to use goo judgment and this starts at home.
ReplyDeleteI have a few options on Mrolal Control. As a member of the Mayor's Youth Advisery Committee (MYAC) me and a few other youth advise the major and give our options on issues in the city. Some of the group sadi they this think its a good idea and others say its not, but majority of us are nutral, including me.
ReplyDeleteI think that its worth trying because the city isn't happy with the results of the city school district and I believe in order to see progress you have to change something. However I don't believe that all that power should go to the mayor him self because thats a lot of power and money in one place.
I agree with Joe that having a school board is good because you get a variety of options.
ReplyDeleteI understand why people would want this and why people wouldn't. This is going to be a very hard decision!!!
ReplyDeletePersonally I do not really know what we should do about the issues in city schools but a change needs to happen. One of the facts that was really interesting this article was that they stated that 25% of childeren in kindergarten children coming from teenage mothers. This just proves that there is more needed than money to fix this problem. Mayoral control or not, I am glad that people are trying to make a change for city schools.
ReplyDeleteThis sounds like it is connecting to the previous blog about capitalism. From this article it seems like mayoral control would lead to private businesses taking over public schools and dramatically changing the atmosphere of the district altogether. It is so sickening to watch selfish polititians and comppanies want to make just a little more money off something that should be handled by the people and for the people. Mayoral control sounds like closed meetings, unfair decisions and a stark disruption of democract.
ReplyDeleteI agree with joe and asante because oprions are always good to have.
ReplyDeletewhen you have options open you are more likely to have more people in favor of having a school board. Also its good to have a variety of options because maybe one person favors one of the options and not one of the others. As long as they agree somewhere, then I think they will be satisfied or could at least deal with having a school board
I also agree with owen, that if a mayor controled school the people would not be able to be as involved. I think the school district should still improve on some things.
ReplyDeleteI honestly dont know if i should agree or disagree with the author. I do believe that we need to have a change in the crime rate but i dont know if it is kids who drop out or problem kids. Some things that the author said i really cant agree with even though that alot about the drop out rates and crimes rates are true. I believe that our superintendent is doing a great job working with the city school district. He is strict but hes trying to make us kids better i will say. blah blah blah i really dont know
ReplyDeleteI agree with devonte completley on the very poor attempt from the author. I think that if u want to get a point across then make a better attept at trying to make a point.
ReplyDeleteI agree with owen because i think that the people have a right to be involved and if the mayor is in all control we the people may not have a say in anything
ReplyDeleteOne thing not addressed in this article is the conditions of the schools themselves. We are lucky enough to go to a decent school with little violence or drugs. Other city schools are running rampant with these issues. What would mayoral control do about these issues? And if the mayor does not take over the district, what will the board do about these conditions?
ReplyDeleteI agree with yanni i guess. I mean yeh its good anyways that people are trying to make an effort to changing things around here whether they are men or women. But there is still a possible varying outcome if mayor takes control.
ReplyDeleteI think to solve the problems in the city school district you have to look at the root of the problem and you have to solve that first before anything else. This author focuses more on how mayoral control will not work, however he doesn't give many cases where it does. Because of this I feel like I don't really understand mayoral control, but I don't think its the best thing for our schools. Although the system we have now doesn't always work the best or do the right thing in many of our eyes, I think its better than mayoral control. I like the idea of a school board and having the right to vote on certain issues. I think if we want to fix the problems in the district it is going to take a lot more than just changing who is in charge.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how mayoral control will impact the Rochester City School District. What we're doing now isn't working that well so maybe trying mayoral control would be a good thing. I understand where the author is coming from when he says that in the past mayoral control hasn't worked for other districts, but maybe it's worth a try because you can't just assume that it won't work for us. I think Duffy truly wants student success and he may change the city school district for the better. However, because he is a mayor, he has bigger issues to worry about so schools may not be his main focus.
ReplyDeletesotastudentT I definitely agree with what you said about how how a student copes with things depends on their personality. There's no way we can fix everything and make every student graduate because there's always going to be a student who no matter what will drop out of school, but with more encouragement from teachers and officials (and families) the graduation rate could be changed. If more schools had social workers and intervention specialists and other school officials to encourage students to do well and be there to help them when they're having problems at home, that would be one step toward raising the graduation rate.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe what is happening. The schools are in such chaos with budget cuts and other things. It's so wrong that the mayor is abusing their power just for money. I mean they are destroying many students education and future careers for their own selfishness. However I do agree that a change should happen becuase there are too much issues happening in the cities and its not just student education but crime and teenage pregnancy.
ReplyDeletei agree with yanni.... but i really dont agree with the part about the teenage mothers.. i really dont think they should say things like that because they really dont know... i am a teen mother myself and it was my own decisions... that is not a problem that they can truly fix... theyt should worry about other things besides that..worry about the things that count the most not who will be teen mothers..its ridiculous.. they always think negative they arent thinking about the mothers that are teens that are being successful in life because there are many they just dont focus on the good things that can happen in life...
ReplyDeleteI agree with Owen. I think that mayoral control would not be in the eyes of the people but in those of corporations. I think it would be an unfit system for the district and would lead to a corrupt system. When it comes to education I agree that it should be by the people for the people.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad people are trying for reform in public schools and people are paying attention to them but I do not feel mayoral control is they way to do this. This article states that mayoral control has been put to good use in cities like Washington DC, New York City, Cleveland, and Chicago. Those four cities are among some of the largest cities in our country and may need mayoral control to make overall large decisions but Rochester is not close to as large as these schools. In Rochester we can make more specific decisions to help people out and we do not need a large figurehead to make them for us. The community is the largest help in Rochester City Schools and I fear that if we went under the Mayoral Control that we would lose this factor.
ReplyDeleteFist off the author made only negative points for the mayors take over of the city school saying it would only be a bad things that would make education worse. One good face that he did make was that the board now was elected by us, our choices so we have some say in what happens. Also I agree that we can’t blame all the problems in the city on our education. Because simply it’s more than the education it’s the decisions made not even in this city that are causing the problems not just the education. Also disagree we cannot be related to the suburbs because we do not have enough in common to compare. Through this entire negative I still think the mayor will do a fine job if he takes over the schools.
ReplyDeleteI think the idea off the mayor taking over the school district is crazy. Mayor Duffy knows nothing about how school districts are run. Yes Superintendent Brizard is not doing the best but I think he is still doing a better job than Duffy would. Brizard at least has a background in education unlike Duffy. None of the other districts in the country that have changed to this system have scene any change in the schools. So why should we put the district through all these changes to not see a dramatic difference. And in many other cities that have mayoral control is used to hide other problems in the city, and the mayor has complete control over who is on the board (aka anyone who will let the mayor do whatever they want to the schools). I do not believe the schools would be at the top of the list of importance of Duffy’s “to do” list. A major difference between the mayor and the superintendent of education.
ReplyDeleteI agree with amanda with that there are bigger issues rather than just school boards. The mayor is very busy and making these decisions are very hard.
ReplyDeleteI feel like no matter who controls our schools they are still flawed. Obviously our current school district is being very effective when we run out of paper half way throught the year, however the writer does bring up the fact that mayoral control of schools hasnt been too effective its self. Now I have know idea how to go about fixing this problem. I am not well learned in the workings of our city school district versus that of one controlled by the mayor, however i believe our problems go beyond who controls our schools. When reading Freakonomics, the authors Levitt and Dubner mention the fact that a lot of drop out rates and poor success rates are mainly due to the fact of high teen pregnancy rates. Tenn pregnancies also are theoried to be the leading cause of high crime rates as well. Maybe if we focused more time on fixing problems such as these, some of the problems in our schools could be fixed in time as well. I know that doesnt really answer the mayoral control or not questions, but i guess what i m saying is we have to find a medium, and look outside of the box when deciding how to address the flaws in our city schools.
ReplyDeleteIf the cities that are doing the best academically are not controlled by mayors why is this even taken into consideration. kids are doing bad in school not because of who controls the school but how much importance the kids and their parents put on education. if poor kids have 1/3 of the vocabulary of suburban kids this obviously shows that the suburban families care more and have the time to teach their kids basic things. Someone that is extremely poor is probably more concerned about how they are going to feed their kids as opposed to how well they speak. I think that the problem doesnt lie in the mayors decisions or control over the schools but rather lies in how much effort parents are putting in to make shure their kids go to school and stay in school.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Alanna
ReplyDeleteThe author only presents one side, he says that the most succesful city schools are not under mayoral control and the least successful city schools are under mayoral control. But there are other factors involved, like the location and the size of the schools. I also feel that we don't have enough information to really get an idea of what mayoral control is.
I agree with Katy when she says “I was insulted that he would compare our school district with that of the suburbs - because of the many problems in the city, things that work in the suburbs may not work here”. Also I would like to add that the suburbs and the city have many different ideas of education. Just look at were we go to school I don’t see any suburban school focused around the arts do you.
ReplyDeleteI have already noticed the connection between poverty and academic ineptitude within city schools. Add this to the fact that suburban scholars in general, perform better than their urban counterparts, and it is obvious that poverty is the primary issue at hand, and may not be solved as soon as we would like, if at all.
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ReplyDeleteim not sure quite where i stand on mayoral control because there are many reasons both for and against it. i agree that if the mayor takes over the district that there will be alot of money and power in one place but i also think having Duffy as our superintendent might be helpful because bob Duffy grew up in rochester,before becomming the mayor he was cheif of police. and he currently lives in the city so he has alot of knowledge about rochester. vs Bernard who did not grow up in rochester and knows little about the problems. and allthough their has been talk about the minorities being kicked of the board i think that is wrong but that mayor duffy cares enough about equality that it wont happen.
I agree with Noah all the cities that were mentioned in the article were very large cities and Rochester is nowhere near the size of any of them.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Felisa. Rather than forcing things to happen by using mayoral control, I also believe that people should be encouraged more to excel in school. I think the mayors involvement with our district and improving it will do a greater good than letting him have total control over the situation. This issue also goes back to students backgrounds and home life. If a child is not encouraged to go to school and recieve an education they don't always understand the value of it. However those that do take advantage of the opportunities and are successful in many aspects in life. I think that overall positive encouragement when it comes to the city schools will be the first step in improving them.
ReplyDeleteI agree with stephanie that that mayoral control is not a very good ideas because there are representatives for certain jobs for a reason. Also its because they understand what they are doing. So it would be better to put someone who undersrands what they are doing than putting someone who doesn't understand in control.
ReplyDeleteI think Stephanie has a point. Mayor Duffy has a list of other things he is in charge of when it comes to controlling the city, the last thing he needs is to have a whole other project on his hands that he wont be able to put a hundred percent of his time into. Maybe what we need is a new superintendent.
ReplyDeleteIt obvious our city schools are having difficulty. I'm not sure if mayoral control has helped or will help change that. Based on this article, the mayor seems to be more involved in economics then education. This issue is one that needs to be dealt with appropriately. There's no way to discuss this and resolve in one or two meetings. We could most definetatly use a change. As far as poverty and dropouts, I think this artile writer went way overboard with that... As for mayoral control, I don't feel that is at all necessary because, I don't think anyone's opinions would make a difference at all. ...we'd have less say in things.
ReplyDeletei mean brizard
ReplyDeleteI agree with tyler in that this article is very biased. I am against mayoral takeover of the city schools but this article does not show both sides of the arguement. I believe that in order for this particular article to be thought of as legitimate it should show all sides and remain neutral. That way we can know all the facts to form out own informed opinion and not fed someone elses.
ReplyDeleteClaire has a point i think who ever controls it there will still be flaws, but i do not know if there is a solution for all the problems or most of them. I also agree with Alanna that the author is only focusing on one side and there is not enough information about mayor control
ReplyDeleteFirst off I would like to say that reading this blog was very sad and disappointing. You never realize how much is going on right under your nose. But based on all the evidence in this blog I would have to agree and say Mayoral control is not helping school districts but only making situations worse. When I see a change in all those percentages then thats when i'll change my mind. Schools without Mayoral control are doing way better then those with a Mayor. Whats the point in a mayor anyway...We have a president already we dont need a president wannabe
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Jonathan. While poverty contributes to poor academic performance, educational commitment can work in favor of those who are determined to get somewhere in life. (I feel like I'm stating the obvious...)
ReplyDeleteI personally believe that it does not matter if there is mayoral control or not. I do not think that the mayor will be able to do anything to increase graduation rates, or to increase productivity in schools. I believe, as the writer does, that most of the problems resulting in school drop outs stem from bad home lives. Usually, when both parents have gone to college, the children end up going to college, and unfortunately it is the same the other way around. Many times, if the parents were high school drop outs, the children will be too. Although I do not match the level of disdain the writer has for mayoral control, some of the points he has made are valid. For instance, he believes that the school board members should not be paid. I agree with this. I believe that it should be a voluntary job that one does on their own time after work. This will enable the city to find people who really care about the lives of the students. If this were the case, the city schools might not be going through budget cuts. It does not seem fair that suburban schools can get 50% of budgets, while the city schools only get up to 18% (with budget cuts now and then). I believe that more money in the schools, will make people more willing to learn, which is the real issue. I do not believe that mayoral control will do anything to help the schools. I am not completely against it, but I do not see anything promising in it either.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Zthoeri, the main problem is not the who is in control of the urban schools but the poverty and crime rates that have sky rocketed and left a bad mark on city schools. i dont believe that switching to mayoral control may necessarily fix that underlying cause. Poverty can not be fixed so easily.
ReplyDeletei disagree with the whole way that the RCSD is handling the situation. Biazzare was having success with his new system. he had a lower drop out rate than the superintendent; that doesnt mean the schools were still struggling with other areas. mayor duffy should try to work together with the board, not try to serpreate the relationship. it shows in the article that recent cities that had a mayor run the schools didnt have success. the school board and the mayor should work together and not make the city become worse than great.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Steph in that I think the mayor already has enough responsibilities on his plate. This being added would cause more chaos then good.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Jonathan its not that they are worried about being feed and distracted from education. It’s just that they don’t carry because they think they will be fine in life without a good education. But if everybody realized they could be the next big CEO or bill Gates they would try a lot harder. It’s defiantly not that they carry more every mother and father anywhere wants to see their kid grow up and be happy and successful.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Amanda - I don't have enough information about mayoral control or what Mayor Duffy's plans are. Although I'm more for having a school board than control by the mayor because there are more people on the school board so there would be more opinions represented, if Mayor Duffy has a good plan for the school district and a way to attack the root of the problem in order to improve graduation rates, I think it would be worth a try. However, this article gives no information on the Mayor's plans. (Has the mayor even said what his plans are? I really need to get more information on this.)
ReplyDeleteEither way, though, whether through the school board or the mayor, there needs to be a change.
I agree with owen in that if schools were controlled by the mayor unfair decisions would be taken very frequently i bet. and this would be another thing taking away our "democracy"
ReplyDeleteI agree with JOEY because having just one person make big decisions is alot of pressure i think. He needs a whole team. And they should focus on the major problems at hand. Like the root of dropouts , or even crimes. They should be asking why are kids dropping out and not on dropout "codes". These so called codes are pointless and a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteWe are a country of democracy. We were given the right to vote and the right to voice our opinions. By having mayoral control over our city education, we are having those rights revoked. What Mayor Duffy is trying to do is complete bull shit. Bill Cala is making point after point of why mayoral control doesn’t work. We have problems, but is it because of who’s in control of the district or is it because of the economy and place we live in? Cala said that we are the 11th poorest city for children in the country. We have problems. I understand that we have a lot of drop outs. But we aren’t the only ones. A lot of other cities have MANY drop outs. The cities that are under mayoral control have made promises that they are not able to keep. How can Duffy make references to mayoral controlled school cities such as Chicago and New York City when they have not held their promises? The use of discharge codes and leaver codes are just sorry excuses for trying to cover up their failures. While our budget is in the millions the mayoral control districts are in the billions. If this is about saving the economy how does Duffy spending millions more dollars work? I don’t think that this is a good idea at all. Duffy is just a power hungry man who doesn’t have his facts right. Also, he's a huge jack ass who doesn't know what he's talking about.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with Emily; yes Duffy grew up here put what does he know about the RCSD? He went to Aquinas, a private catholic school, so again what does he know about Rochester’s public school system? And you said it yourself he was policy chief that has nothing to do with education. While Brizard has always worked in the field of education, yeah it didn’t grow up here but he did attend public schools in Haiti, which is closer that what Duffy has.
ReplyDeletei disagree with lyla why is the mayor worrying about the schools when the area that he controls(the whole city) isnt run right. instead of him trying to think that he will make a difference alot of students would probably stop going to school even more because our mayor is running it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Claire's statement. It is not a secret that teen pregnancy is an issue. When people get pregnant, several of them will end up dropping out, getting a job, and creating some kind of home life. This and high crime rates are the real issue. Improving schools will help, but only to an extent.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Emily
ReplyDeleteI think Duffy knows the city well and he would do what is in our best interest. I don't think he's trying to take over the district for power, I think he just disagrees with the way things are being run. But I'm not sure that this will change our situation much, there is a lot going on and I think everyone wants to help but they don't really know how. No one really knows where to start.
i agree with noah that rochester is a small city and that the other cities mentioned in the article were very large.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Caroline to an extent. Many problems with high school drop outs and bad graduating percentages are stemed from bad home lives. It's sad that the parents affect the children the way they do but we can push all the blame on the school district.
ReplyDeletei agree with owen the mayor would make unfair and irrational decesions and we would see mayor duffy face all of over the cities. for example school milks, posters, and maybe even the candy wrapers.lol:)
ReplyDeleteIm not really sure how i feel about the RSCD as a whole, or any other school dirstcts. however i do feel that alot of the problems that are occuring with teens today are based on the up bringing and education . The fact that 25percent of the kids in kindergraden have teen mother is crazy to me. i agree with Devonte i feel like the authour could have had a better agreugemnt as to why he thinks the mayor should control the school, im not convinced. But if it could help kids stay in school then maybe its not such a bad idea. The fact that theres a high teen pregancy rate has a lot to do with teens being under educated and its a cycle that will contuine. a teen girl has a baby and yeah the baby may be rasied and healthly but since the mom is young she may not have a lot of knowledge to pass on to the child. then theres the pssiblitly that the child will grow up still missing that education and will grow up to make the same mistakes that the parents did, or worse.
ReplyDeleteI agree with noah in that Rochester is a rather small city and should be dealt with differently than those of larger cities.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Suzette, I believe that the mayor looks too much into the economics of the school district. Although it may not be completely efficient to keep arts in schools, for instance, it is very important to the students, and would create chaos if destroyed. Because of this, the mayor must look beyond the money and see what is most important to the students in the schools.
ReplyDeleteI agree with OWEN because Mayor control doesnt sound too promising especially from all the stats above in this blog. It seems like they really dont care about peoples future they are focused on the amount of money thats going into their pockets. Doesnt a superintendent do the same job as the Mayor?
ReplyDeletei tried posting my first respones but computer froze and lost my response
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone who said that this article is very biased but I looked and I couldn't find any articles on rochester FOR the mayoral control. I just saw articles stating that Duffy wanted to take over the city district. there was nothing stating developed thoughts. there were only vague ideas.
ReplyDeleteI feel that if mayoral contgrol has show succes in the past in big cities such as Cleveland, New York, Chicago, etc... then if what we are doing now is not working. We should change that and go with things that we have seen work in other cities. The problems in the Rochester City School district need to be changed, and giving Mayoral control of the district seems like it is a good option. The superintendent is good to have, only if doing his job, and making progress. since the problems in the district havent been changed, something needs to be done.
ReplyDeleteI agree about lyla i didnt appreciate being compared to the suburbs. Who Lives in the Suburds? Wealthy! who lives in the city? Average and the poor! you cant compare them to each other how things are run there are run differently here
ReplyDeletei agree with amanda on that there is alot of issues envolved and that knowone knows what duffy will do if he was in charge so its hard to judge but the only way to know for sure is to give him a chance to prove himself.
ReplyDeletei agree with what nisha says. you cant compare the city to the suburbs they are two completely different worlds.
ReplyDeleteI agree with yanni's comment about 25% of the kindergardeners coming from teenage mothers. Money is not going to be able to solve that. There is more problems than the economy going on. There needs to be a big change with numbers as bad as they are.
ReplyDeletei agree with caroline somewhat. i also think that the mayor will be able to do anything to increase graduation rates but i also feel that even now the superintendant isnt really doing anything to change that.
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone who says that the school board is good. With it there are a varity of options that can be presented to try and fix things
ReplyDeletei would have to say there are problems in the city school distracted and i wouldnt know how to fix them cause it probably will bring up another problem. i think this article is very biased and doesnt really shine on the great parts of the city
ReplyDeleteI really dnt like the fact that we are being compared to surburbs. Everybody is not wealthy like other. So when you say suburbs all you think about is rich but when u say city firt thought is oh thats not a good place to live.you really cant compare look at the different between them suburb nice niegborhood then you have the city trash everywhere loud always somebody getting killed
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nisha completely, the inner city and the suburbs are two different worlds. More things happen with in the city then out there
ReplyDeleteI feel like people are always going to find a problem with their children's schools. Thats the reality, they are never going to work perfectly. In Rochester though, we do face a number of growing problems. Fortunately this isn't the case in our school, but in other city schools, teenage pregnancy is rampant throughout. At schools such as East and Wilson they even have separate gym classes for pregnant teens. This, along with falling graduation rates are two big problems.
ReplyDeleteI feel that this is more of a new political stance of the mayor's and him trying to make a stand on something, than the mayor actually feeling that he can make a change.
I agree with suzzette that the Mayor only seems interested in the money and not the students or the schools. He wants to just make sure the amount of money going into the schools is really needed. He wants to have complete control. It might not be a good idea to give the control to the mayor because he has other problems to worry about as well. if the power is just left in the hands of the superintendent, he can focus on one job and one job only and thats the schools.
ReplyDeletei agree with everyone on this blog this just seemed very bias and it almost made it seem better to go to a private school or as suburbs school.
ReplyDeleteThe argument made by the writer in this article does not seem to be a very good one for mayoral control. Although the School Boards does not always make choices i completely agree with it is better to have a board of people not just the mayor. It seems like the author is just pointing out what wrong with city schools but not exactly stating a well thought out plan of how the mayor being in control will be better. On the other hand i feel the Rochester City School District should shoot for change, until we try a new method we can't really determine which is better.
ReplyDeletejust a point peter brought up i feel like people are going to find problems with something no matter if its here or in texas. i dont have a solution to the problem but i feel like it makes it seem like the schools are a lot worse then they actually are
ReplyDeleteI believe that mayoral control vs the school board both have different pros and cons but the fact remains that the school district is flawed fundamental because money doesnt grow on tree's so somewhere there will be a budget cut or wages cut. I think the problem is with rochester itself and the only way to change any of its problems is if the community changes they're ways. To me the reason why were in this situation is because the choices our community has made which can not change with either control over the school board
ReplyDeletein response to poopoo12:
ReplyDeletewhat the hell are you talking about? Its comments like that make the city have a bad name in the first place. Of course we do not have as much wealth concentrated in the city as there is in the suburbs, but this should by no means give us different standards. Its by making excuses like this that people end up dumbing themselves down and feel that they can use living in the city as a reason to do so. It just makes you sound ignorant.
I really dont know how to feel about the major running the rcsd. If it makes it better for the students then but if not whats the point. Its seem as if duffy knows the city then he will be good for the rcsd
ReplyDeleteI agree with Peter, there is no way to completely please everyone and people will always find problems with the school system but there are ways to improve out city's statistics.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, the superintendent doesnt know what he is doing. Instead of basing the city school district curriclum off of that of the suburbs, the Rcsd should use their own ideas. Besides everyone knows that they are more privelegd than city students so basing the poverty level or whatever on education is not legit. As far as the mayor making all of the decisions wouldn't be a good idea becaus eyoun need everyone's perspective including the residents of the area in order for that solution to suit the needs of everyone at the same time.
ReplyDeleteword vanessa. money certainly does not grow on tree's. and nobody can force the community to change their ways, unless they want to change them.
ReplyDeletein response to venessa:
ReplyDeleteMoney is definitely a problem and always will be. Keeping this in mind the people that run the schools have to make a number of tough decisions. A new administration will inevitably bring changes both good and bad, big and small. I am interested to see what will happen, but i am ultimately unaffected after june.
in response to pbr
ReplyDeleteI don't think every school district has problems and we should strive to be better. Its people like you who don't have any hope for our city and when it does get its act together you should be kicked out.
word justin, the mayor does just seem like the only thing he wants is the money.
ReplyDeletewhy u trynna be an asshole i said how i felt it what comment was made that you was so offended by.and it is true when you hear suburbs thats all you think about is wealthy nice neighborhood no crime When you hear city first thing people say is the crime rate
ReplyDeletejust kiddin peter! haha love u buddy :)
ReplyDeleteI think that even though there are things we don't like about the school board and superintendent's decisions, they are trying to do what they can. Because we are in a recession it really is not possible to solve the root of the problem which is poverty and children living in bad environments. Even though the author is only giving valid examples of failed mayoral control, it's very likely that it would fail in this district too. In my opinion, we can't just say "we need a change", make a change, and expect that there will be results right away. Ok I am still on Obama's side, but his motto was "change". He is trying with his best effort to make things better, but he's already lost so much popularity among the people and government figures. Because they're not seeing much change yet. Not everybody can get what they want. I think that we should continue with Brizard also because there's more opportunity for the people in Rochester to have a voice. However, the article did make a valid point that we could re-elect school board members and eliminate their pay. That would ensure that they're not doing the job for a paycheck.
ReplyDeletePutting the education in the hands of one person is far too dangerous especially when we don't know if it will work.
I agree with lyla but peter can kiss my ass. I feel like dont compare the city to the suburbs unless their trying to help the city
ReplyDeletein response venessa's response to pbr:
ReplyDeletenow what are YOU talking about?? To say that i am saying to be content with the way things are clearly shows the caliber of your reading skills, or lack thereof. I am saying that there are a number of problems and that they are going to be tough to fix, not that there is nothing to be done. If mayoral control is the answer to all our problems, then that is great! I am just saying that even with a new way of running our district, the problems will not disappear just like that.
In response to Venessa- i agree, the community needs to change. In order to change the way of or schools we need to help change the people in them. For example, the pregnancy statistics for Rochester are ridiculous. The city may need to do more to promote safe sex, its obvious that the city's teenagers are having it and that probably won't change but maybe the city can help those who are less informed on preventative actions
ReplyDeletei beleive that mayoral control plays a huge role in the dropout rates because mayors tend to look at things from a financial point a view meaning there concern is how much the schools rather than doing what is neccessary for the students, i know i barily she our mayor and i know he doesn't see me cause he doesn,t take the time to know the different schools so most students feel like they are misunderstood.
ReplyDeletei agree with jonathan if we have statisics that say that mayoral control is not the best than why are we procastinating lets ditch the mayor idea and go for what works.
in response to michell's statment when you put all the facts on paper for you to see it can be type depressing and sad you just wish that there was something you could do.
Before this article was published, I was in extreme favor of Mayoral control. Our district is in shambles, full of coruption, heavily politicized, etc. So mayoral control seemed quite of a resonable intervention. But the issues resides in the way our school board runs and the results from such faulty management. Getting rid of an elected school board, the deomcratic process, practically removes parent/ student say and basically allows education to become a business. A business thats primary objectives aren't in the students best interests. As of now, the district functions exactly as stated above but the democratic process allows for great change. Mayoral control, in my opinon, is not in the best interests of the people. The way are school board is run is also completely inneffective. In the end I believe that the best solution lies in cala's suggestions. Revamp the school board, remove the political ties, focus on the 0-5 development and so on. Until then, I see every other "solution"posed by our district and mayor as faulty.
ReplyDeletein response to pbr's response to venessa's response to pbr:
ReplyDeletepeter i was kidding before but now that you're going in on people I think its time that I tell something that im sure poopoo is thinking too SHUT UP.
I disagree with the author in that don't think the mayor is really fit to run the city school district. The superintendent was typically on the school board already and is selected by other members because they believe that they are trusted to run the department of education, whereas the mayor is to run the city. I understand that the schools are a part of a city but the superintendent's specialty is education.
ReplyDeleteI think that our superintendent makes decisions that a lot of students don't agree with (like less school days and starting school earlier) but I honestly think that he just has our education in mind.
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ReplyDeleteI think we should concentrate more on the academics and less on they money. I don't want to make anyone angry, but I think that if we really want to improve education, then we need to think about the teachers. I can personally say that in my time at SOTA (not naming names) I have had a few teachers who I learned close to nothing from, and this usually had to do with the teacher's inability to control their class. Maybe we need to think about encouraging those ineffective teachers to choose another profession. I'm just not sure what the best way to monitor this would be. And yes, Mr. Cala, the graduation rate is low, but a diploma is a piece of paper. It's the education that really counts.
ReplyDeleteI agree with pbr's original statement, no matter what people will find fault in whoever is in control. There's never going to be a perfect fit for everyone and that's why we have majority rule in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Lyla:
ReplyDeleteAt first, I felt the same way. I believed that we should give Mayoral control a try. After reading this article,though, my opinion changed significantly. Im honestly not satisfied with either solution because I believe that petty, single minded, corporate politics will get involved. Establishing mayoral control overrides the democratic process, which is an essential no-no. I feel that we need to follow cala's suggestions but sadly I doubt the changes he encouraged will ever come into place.
In response to nisha, I have to disagree..
ReplyDeleteOf course we don't want to be compared to the suburban schools because we don't have the same fortunate backgrounds as they do. But realistically, most of us were born with just as good brains and have the same great potential as those who are in the suburbs. Therefore we deserve to get what they get, and not settle for less just because there's not as much money. Colleges aren't going to look at someone and say "aww look she's poor" and accept her. If we want the same opportunities as they have, then we should be expecting no less of an education than they get from their schools. Rochester schools should have to be compared if the district wants to claim any success.
In response to everyone:
ReplyDeleteFor those of you against Mr.Cala, may I just say that in my opinion, he research is very valid and he has an incredible record as a superintendent to prove it. These problems that he mentioned are very valid. This problems are largely transparent for all eyes to see. There is no denying are flaws. I think it was quite wise and courteous for him to offer his seasoned and sound advice. If our district weren't selfish maybe we could see such fantastic changes. Maybe it will take a grassroots movement. Who knows.